Exchanging an academic career for an administrative function, Susanne explains, was not a surprising turn of events. “I really like the position of secretary within the organisation. You sit in the helicopter and oversee the whole thing. You bring everything together. From your role in close proximity to the Board, you have the opportunity to give direction. I feel very comfortable with that.”

She was no stranger to the University of Eindhoven. As a staff member of UMC Utrecht, in 2011, she helped shape the strategic collaboration between Utrecht and Eindhoven. “I have a background in the sciences, so I soon felt at home on the campus in Eindhoven. Moreover, I had the opportunity to start afresh with an almost entirely new Board. For me, this was a good moment to step in. We set out on this journey of discovery together, not knowing that this pandemic would happen to us. Whilst this does make it very challenging at times, it has also brought about great things. For example, it has certainly accelerated my acquaintance with the TU/e. Because there is pressure on both people and processes, the soul of the organisation is really exposed. You see very clearly how things run and how people are involved.”

Permanent Employment

Harry Roumen did not experience an extensive application process, like the one Susanne went through. “It just came naturally to me. I graduated in Eindhoven and ‘stuck around’. The Computer Centre, chairman of the staff association, Prince Carnival—you get to know a lot of people that way. I was asked to become the chairman of the University Council. It was customary for the chairman to move on to an external position, such as mayor, as indeed did all my predecessors. That was also my intention. However, when a member of the Executive Board passed away, I was offered the opportunity to become his successor. I decided not to accept the position, as I did not really feel like a director and was keen to find job security. When the then-secretary moved on to a position on the Board, his post became vacant. I felt honoured I was asked to replace him. I seized this new challenge and accepted it, also because it offered permanent employment.”

Harry: “That is precisely how I started. I was also modest—something that suits the role of secretary. I was lucky with the teams I was able to work with, although not always. Once, I was actually on the verge of quitting. However, a new chairman asked me to stay and finish the job together, and that is what I did. After that, they could not get rid of me, so to speak. So it all depends on the Board members you are dealing with and on how that relationship unfolds. I do not know how you experience this, Susanne, but I was definitely more orientated towards the chairman and less towards the rector. If you are given enough room, you are able to do your own thing, but it is also a lonely job. You only have a few people to spar with when things get really tough. I have always found a lot of support amongst my national colleagues. We got together every so often and were able to speak freely and in confidence. I assume this is still the case?”

Susanne: “Yes, fortunately, that is indeed still the case. I experience it as a very valuable group. There are a number of new secretaries who are also still searching for the right direction. It is nice to be able to share your dilemmas. I recognise what you say about the role of secretary being a lonely one. However, that is definitely something you know in advance.”

Gauging the Temperature

Maintaining existing contacts is more challenging due to the pandemic. The informal tools have been taken out of Susanne's hands. “Those corridors are very important for a secretary, providing opportunities to take the temperature and to speak with someone either before or after a meeting. You are constantly assessing the temperature, so to speak, and as soon as it begins to deviate, you need to act. Now that we primarily hold meetings online, this is made a lot more difficult. As a secretary, you have to offer insights into the different perspectives and interests of each party. You have to ensure that everyone is represented, so that the Board can address them in a very considered way. This also applies to the different interests amongst the Board members, because of course, they are there too. Ultimately, you do want to present yourself as a single, united board. Do you recognise that?"

Harry: “Absolutely. I really admire the way Susanne has acted during this difficult period. I am glad the whole corona crisis did not happen in my time. Because I really needed that face-to-face contact, to be able to talk to them in private—that is precisely the role you have to fulfil as a secretary. Whilst a screen is of great help, when things get tricky, you do pick up on other things in real life. I would miss that enormously and I cannot imagine not being able to come to the campus for a year.”

Talking about the campus, the conversation quickly turns to one of Harry's passions: student life and Eindhoven as a student city. These were themes that only had the interest of a few Board members, so he jumped in with great enthusiasm. For thousands of students, he continues to be remembered as the spontaneous pacer at many a cantus, the closing event of the introduction week which used to be flooded with beer. “Yes, I will be honest with you, that was great fun to do. Once you are known to the student associations, they always know where to find you. I still think that Eindhoven is not visible enough as a student city. Whilst there are now three student societies located in the city centre, I still think they are not visible enough, compared to other university cities.”

Susanne: “What do you think causes this, then, or why do you think it is like that?”

Harry: “Well, what is the reason? The municipality definitely plays a role in this, because they hardly facilitate anything and are not generous with permits: ‘This is not possible, that is not possible’, etc. For example, at the moment there is a difficult ongoing discussion about student accommodation. I think the municipality could be much more active towards the university. Take last year's King's Day and compare it to fifteen years ago, when the TU/e celebrated its 50th anniversary. On that day, we marched through the city with a cortege and awarded honorary doctorates in the church, all in a single day. There were large concerts on the Markt, which attracted over ten thousand visitors. The university showed itself to the city during the visit of Queen Beatrix. Now, the university celebrates its 65th anniversary: The king does visit, but the TU/e is hardly in the picture—a pity, as it was definitely deserving of greater attention. This is certainly not only the university's fault. In the years that I have been able to observe, the Municipality of Eindhoven has shown too little interest in the university. We have taken steps, but often received more opposition than cooperation.”

Susanne: “I think the adjusted program due to corona left less room than usual. We managed to give the student teams a role. We would have liked to do that more broadly, so I do understand the feeling that Harry is left with.”